Piggy-backing the topic on Wednesday, I started wondering if YA was becoming too graphic. Now, I've only read a few YA books since I hang in the middle grade section more often than not. I had read WICKED LOVELY by Melissa Marr a few years ago. It was okay, but I didn't think it was 'all that'. So when I was talking to the older sister (12) of my kidlet's friends, she mentioned that she needed to do a book report on a current novel. I said I had one that she might like.
When I took the book over to their house, I felt obligated to inform the mother about the level of sexuality in the book. Yes, I did mention that they got to second base. It was up to the mother to decide whether or not she allowed her daughter to read the story.
She did.
The daughter got an A.
The B&N clerk, as I mentioned, was in her mid-twenties and she described one of YA's biggest seller's books as 'nasty'. And I asked if it was very graphic--her answer was yes, too graphic and sexual. Which brings me to the question, who monitors the type of stuff that goes for YA these days?
--editors?
--publishers?
--authors?
--or, my best guess, none of the above.
--I've seen second graders carting around TWILIGHT. And no, I don't think it's age appropriate, but it's the responsibility of the parent to . . . well, parent.
--I've seen girls who were in their tweens (12-14) shopping in the YA section. Normally, that wouldn't bother me, but now I'm wondering about what exactly they are picking up to read.
How graphic should the author write/editor edit/publisher buy for YA?
. . . well, publishers only look at the bottom line. They don't give a rat's patootie about morality. All they want to do is make a profit. And if writing stories that feature a 16-19 yo sells, then they want to make as much money as possible. So adding sex to the mix increases the odds of selling well.
So who oversees morality if not the parent? The problem arises when the parents don't read or acknowledge what the child is reading.
True, it's a parent's job to teach their child right from wrong, etc. but many parents don't bother doing their job and expect someone else to do it for them. And yes, I've mentioned this before, but I wonder if there should be some warning labels for some books. Or will it simply make the teen go out of their way to acquire the 'naughty' stuff--like they do with nasty lyrics in music, or graphic nature of some video games.
I don't advocate the morality police charging in and taking a hatchet to all the published material out there, but maybe there needs to be a line drawn somewhere.
The person to draw the line has to start with the author. Look at HARRY POTTER. It was originally published as a middle grade story, but all ages have read and enjoyed the book--AND THE MOST GRAPHIC SCENE IS A KISS.
I've said it before and I'll stick by it--A good book is a good book.
I'm quite happy writing middle grade, but when I wrote TROLL something surprised me. My 11 yo character noticed a young male elf, and I wondered if I was pushing the envelope with her awareness
--but then my kidlet (9) saw this face shot of Hugh Jackman and said, "Whoa, he's hot."
What can a mom do?
I had to agree.
I guess my little problem in TROLL is a moot point.
Write on!
I remember sitting with some YA authors in 2006 who were bemoaning the fact that their editors were pushing them to add more sex to their stories. Neither of these authors felt comfortable with the level being requested by the editors.
ReplyDeleteWow, Cyndi, that was definitely a sign of things to come.
ReplyDeleteI really don't like the direction that this trend is going. I don't know if I'm becoming more of a prude the older I get or what. I feel as if we are pushing something onto teens that most of them aren't ready to handle.
I don't know what I would have done in these authors situation, but I like to think I would stand my ground, though it would probably mean that I wouldn't get another contract.
I haven't been around blog land in awhile but I saw your post on FB and had to come over. I personally read YA to get away from the graphic sex in 'adult' books. That said, I've noticed the bar has certainly been raised over the years. This didn't upset me too much at first because I like a LITTLE romance with my stories (not the other way around) but then things got even more graphic and then I had kids and I started thinking ...
ReplyDeleteI agree with all my heart it is the parent's resp. to raise their own children - in the end it ALL comes back to them but realistically, how many parents are gonna read a book these days, let alone a YA just to make sure it's appropriate for their kid. Most don't care - the few that do are more likely to 'trust' the rating on the book and assume YA is acceptable for their kids. It's sad but they really do need a rating system for books like movies. ie: PG-13 (mild sexual content and violence) They even have to put label on CDs now warning of explicit language ...
The buck stops with the parent. P.E.R.I.O.D.
ReplyDeleteWhen I hear parents say, "I don't know how it happened . . . " I want to answer, "I do!"
Most don't listen, though. They think their kid is responsible/mature enough to handle whatever.
No way.
I read my kids books before they read them. It's the only way I could really know what was there. I even read short stories they were assigned in high school. And I "communicated" with the teacher about the content. When that didn't do any good, I had a long talk with kiddo about what they'd read.
You have to keep an open line of communication with the kids. Dictating what you want them to believe/think won't work.
Raising kids is the hardest/most important/most rewarding job you'll ever have.
And your kiddo is a doll with great taste. So far, so good!
Isn't interesting, Ban, that when you have kids your perspective on everything changes? :-)
ReplyDeleteInherently, I think a good parent wants to protect their child, but to protect them you have to let them go little by little as they earn your trust in them to make the right decisions. It's tough. And the world around us doesn't make it any easier.
In the end, it is the parents responsibility, BUT, for example, my kidlet uses the library at the school to pick books to read. Her choices are out of my hands and I would hope that the librarian reads all the books she has available for this MG age group and verifies that they are age appropriate.
Parents need to be tuned in, Susan, and I hate to say it, but many aren't there for their kids (letting their 8 yo kiddo read TWILIGHT???) True, most kids wouldn't get some of the references, but still, it wasn't age appropriate.
ReplyDeleteMy goal as a parent: When I send my kidlet off to college I want to make sure she is armed with enough common sense to make the right decisions, so if I have to say NO now, I like to think someday she will realize how much love was put into that NO.
Margie, you are not a prude. Neither am I - really. The problem is that the world is getting completely desensitized to violence and graphic sex. Just like an addict needs more and more of the drug to get their fix, people need more and more shock value. To quote a favorite band of mine, we've become 'comfortably numb.' :)
ReplyDeleteI also think people have confused the concepts of 'romance' and 'sex.' The book I just read has plenty of sex, but there's NOTHING 'romantic' about the story or the relationship. Sex is the act; romance is the concept. The line has been blurred to the point of non-existence.
Bring back romance!
When my kiddo was in the 5th grade, we'd gone out to eat, and a woman came up to my table. She confirmed who I was and asked if she could bring her daughter (a classmate of my son) over to meet me, because the girl read my books and loved them.
ReplyDeleteOnce I swallowed the food in my mouth, I looked at her rather blankly and said, "You let your 10-year-old daughter read my books?!? They're not called INTIMATE moments for nothing."
She didn't seem to get it.
It is the parents' responsibility in the end, but the publishers (and the editors and the marketing people) also bear a share. Ideally, a parent should have an expectation that a book marketed toward young adult or middle grade is, in fact, suitable for young adult or middle grade readers, just as movie-goers have an expectation that a film rated G won't have sex, profanity or violence in it.
Since we can't count on publishers to publish appropriately, though, then parents need to vet their kids' reading. Since that's not going to happen . . .
YAY, Jody!!!
ReplyDeleteI'm with you 1000%!! Put romance back into the story where it belongs!
Wow, Marilyn, that is mind-boggling.
ReplyDeleteHeck, when I was ten I was reading Walter Farley, Zane Grey and Edgar Rice Burroughs. How do I remember that? Because there was virtually nothing for a MG reader to read. It wasn't until I was 13-15 before I read Barbara Cartland and Janet Daily.
I'll do my best with my kidlet, but I wish publishers would do their part and set up standards for YA.
It's a shame about editors pushing their writers to add sex. It's bad enough that it's happened in adult books. I actually like sex scenes -- when they serve a purpose. If they deepen a plot, move it forward, change it. But in many cases, sex is thrown in just to have a sex scene. It sucks that the same thing is happening in YA now.
ReplyDeleteditto - 'YAY Jodi!' I read one or two 'romance' novels in my preteen years (I think that was the easiest way for my mom to teach me about more than the basics of the birds and the bees) but they didn't interest me. When I read one again a few years ago, based upon a recomendation, I was floored by the actual lack of ROMANCE ... it was just sex. The whole plot of the book was to get the characters in the sack. There was no development of their relationship. Even other genres (fantasy, sci-fi, paranormal), which I turned to instead are being turned into ... smut. I digress.
ReplyDeleteI want to again voice that it is the parent's responsibility. I remember a few years ago, my cousin, who was 15 at the time was given Clan of the Cave Bear ... BY HER TEACHER as an ASSIGNMENT !!! So we all know, we can't rest on the morals of others ... again, it's just sad to me.
I'm with you Marilyn - parents SHOULD be able to trust but we can't :(
I agree, Edie. I just wish authors had more clout when it came to this sort of thing, but I think publishers tend to be passive-agressive in a sense, holding the contract in front of the author's nose.
ReplyDeleteWe need to start a "BRING BACK ROMANCE" grassroot campaign, Ban!
ReplyDeleteI read Barbara Cartland at 13 and my mother thought that was a bit racy. Sigh, but I appreciated her caring. I hid the other books I read when 15. :-)
ReplyDeleteWhen Amy was so enthralled with HP, I read the first 3 in 3 weeks. Thought it was my duty--best thing ever-IMHO.
In today's world, I would still do the same. Kids grow up so fast as it is. Let them enjoy being kids.
Thanks for stopping by, Meg, and it looks like your due diligence succeeded as Amy seems to be a wonderful and successful daughter.
ReplyDeleteIt looks like I'm on the right track for now. I just need to keep with the program and read what the kidlet is reading.
I've been surprised by what's out there too, especially since middle graders are reading YA, and grammar school kids are reading middle grade. Nothing takes the place of a parent.
ReplyDeleteToo true, Julie.
ReplyDeleteI can't remember where I heard this, be it teacher, article, blog or whatever, but the majority of kids want to read about characters who are 2-3 years older than themselves.
I KNOW my kidlet (2nd grade at the time) didn't want to read Junie B First Grader because why would she want to read about a character younger than herself?
--I wonder if publishing got that memo. Doubt it.
Then again, children and adults adored the Harry Potter books...which just reinforces the fact that a good story is a good story. Period!
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